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Post by CoyDog on Jul 4, 2008 10:52:06 GMT -5
I'm torn between the two training regimens, and I don't how to/ when to incorporate intervals, if I even need to, so I wanted to see what other people thought. I've seen examples that have worked for both sides.
For Lydiard's style (lots of lsd, no intervals, minimal speedwork) - Peter Snell, David Raucci, Lopez Lomong
For Daniels (that weird vdot thing) - Chris Derrick, everyone who's been to Cortland the last 50 years.
As always, please provide a reason.
kthnxbye
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Post by jwager on Jul 5, 2008 16:50:01 GMT -5
Please for one, never EVER cite Dave Raucci as an example of successful training. At least not in the same sentence as Lomong or Snell. Never, ever again.
That being said - everyone reacts differently to training. You do have to follow certain logic to get the physiological adaptations you want, but what works for me may not work for you. So I don't think you can really pick who's training is better when both have worked for so many people.
Oh and just something I've noticed with Daniels training. The Cortland men were never really all that good under Jack...for some reason it seems like Jack's training might work better for women. Just an observation.
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Post by Roland on Jul 6, 2008 15:59:29 GMT -5
coy over the summer just do lots of long distance running, intervals aren't necessary. if anything do a couple hill workouts/fartleks/tempo runs. BUt the main thing you need to do is just get out there and run a lot.
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Post by Jake King on Jul 6, 2008 21:34:21 GMT -5
Please for one, never EVER cite Dave Raucci as an example of successful training. At least not in the same sentence as Lomong or Snell. Never, ever again. gee wager, way to be nice about it good thing you're not webmaster or anything |
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Post by jwager on Jul 7, 2008 22:09:15 GMT -5
thats how i roll jake
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Post by Jake King on Jul 8, 2008 11:27:40 GMT -5
give me a break wager, coy is 4 years younger than you, use a little restraint for god's sake
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Post by Vinny on Jul 9, 2008 21:49:24 GMT -5
I like Lydiard personally.
Daniels is extremely stuctured and I find it difficult to follow.
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Post by jwager on Jul 9, 2008 23:25:18 GMT -5
jake, i went on to provide a very mature and restrained answer...idk how they do it down at NYU but in Cortland that's all we ask for.
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Post by sethd on Jul 13, 2008 20:19:42 GMT -5
I've been reading about Lydiard for quite some time now and I have to say I'm a pretty big proponent when it comes to his style of training. The only thing is that you have to take it with a grain of salt (same with every training theory). You have to learn how to implement what you learn in to your training regimen in a way that will be beneficial to YOU. There's a lot of experimenting that's involved in learning what type of training works for you, it takes years to learn your body. If you want to learn a bit more about Lydiard you can check these to articles out...they're not too bad in giving the basic details/format of his training. www.lydiardfoundation.org/pdfs/al_lecture.pdfwww.fitnesssports.com/lyd_clinic_guide/Arthur%20Lydiard.pdf |
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Post by Jake King on Jul 15, 2008 0:09:49 GMT -5
idk how they do it down at NYU but in Cortland that's all we ask for. is this how NYU does things?  just kidding Wager, their coach was an @sshole to me on the phone so I really hope you beat them this year |
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Post by Roland on Jul 15, 2008 9:26:08 GMT -5
OH NO HE DI-NT!!!!!!!
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Post by Dandy on Jan 25, 2009 10:36:03 GMT -5
How did I miss this thread? Justin and Seth are dead on with their advice. Find what works for you. Having said that, I cast my vote for Daniels.
I lean towards Daniels at the HS level because I think it produces great results in a condensed period of time. Not everyone is going to be coming in to camp with years of base training. The building of interval training over a season will get your body race ready no matter what fitness level you come into camp with. I also believe that there is less risk of injury due to over-training with the Daniels method.
For an example close to home take a look back at the success of the Shenendehowa XC program under Athletic Director and Coach Matt Jones over the years. Coach Jones is a Cortland and therefore Daniels alum. Coach Jones began his coaching career as GCHS Indoor Head Coach in 1978 and '79.
V-Dot aside, the idea of repetition, practicing what you plan to do, is a simple concept that can be adapted to most pursuits. Your body adjusts to what it is asked to do. Interval training most closely replicates what you are going to ask your body to do in race conditions.
I also think the training methods of Peter Coe, father and coach of Sebastian Coe two-time Olympic 1500m champion ('80 & '84) is very worthy of consideration. Seb is the only athlete in history to hold all 4 of the classic "middle distance" world records simultaneously: the 800m, 1000m, 1500m and 1 mile.
Coe's methods, like Daniels', were more in the camp of less is more and used a very scientific approach to training specifically geared towards what worked for Seb. In addition to LSD and interval training, weight training and other strength building exercises played an important role in Coe's training. This well balanced approach attacked any physiological weakness and resulted in little down time due to injury.
There are a lot of great sources of information out there. You can't go wrong with Lydiard, Daniels, Coe, and the great advice given freely by the "Long Red Line." Find what works for you. Listen to your body. Listen to your coaches. Most importantly . . . minimize injuries and have fun!
Jim "Dandy" Davidson '79
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Post by Crowder on Aug 23, 2009 12:00:13 GMT -5
If you like Jack Daniels, you should try George D1ckel.
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Post by Vinny on Oct 13, 2009 21:43:47 GMT -5
I still hold my vote to lydiard, mostly because I do run a lot over the summer and intervals make me peak and crash by the first time trial. That being said Gianni still has my lydiard book which i want back if he sees this message.
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